But after that, adding an IRA to your retirement mix can provide you with more investment options and possibly lower fees than your 401(k) charges. I agree, if you hire an accountant, make sure they correctly fill out the 8606 form. That would mean each transfer in/rebalance could really rack up the commission charges. Do I have to get rid of inherited IRAs (ie convert to 401k’s) to avoid the pro-Rata rule to fund a Backdoor IRA? and then I’d have to go through the hassle of setting up a new account again if I wanted to do this the next year. Or call them and ask them to leave a few cents of accumulated interest that doesn’t get capitalized. If the owner employee is the only one contributing after-tax, the test will likely fail. The deadline to get rid of traditional IRAs to avoid pro-rata calculations on taxes for that year is December 31st. I’ll have to check into recharacterizing the 2013 conversion–don’t know much about it. Now I have some funds rolled over to my traditional IRA from my previous employer sponsored 401K plan, which need to be moved out (to an individual 401k plan, as per your suggestion). and also what exactly do you do – step for megaroth- what does the TPA exactly do- full service. In 2018, you can contribute a maximum of $5,500 (or $6,500 if you are 50 or older) to a Roth IRA. My hope was that I would just dump the after tax into a Roth IRA and pretax into traditional IRA, then subsequently convert to a roth and pay tax on the paltry earnings. As you can see, I forgot to take this screenshot before I actually did it, so I don't actually have any funds available to trade and I have a -$6,000 credit. I don’t plan on being late in 2018 . (~ 8000k) he anticipates to grow to atleast 70-80 k by next year. 4Y. Have you checked yours? One argument about maxing out Roth IRA is that you should do it at the beginning of the year. Can you add more information as to where you found out that the pension contribution counts towards the 401K limit? You said I should have 0 balance by Dec 31 of the year I make the roth conversion from a traditional IRA. Note also that a Backdoor Roth IRA is primarily a two-step process, an IRA contribution and a Roth conversion. The deadline for contributions is April 15th of the following year. You can also subscribe without commenting. But this is the 2021 form and since you converted your entire traditional IRA, this will be $0. What percentage of your portfolio do you reserve for "play money"? The Roth IRAs are often taken for granted. 2) High interest debt Remember the goal isn’t to reduce taxes, it is to maximize your after-tax money (at least on a risk-adjusted basis. If your 401(k) or 403(b) plan allows after-tax contributions (this is different than making Roth contributions), consider doing the "mega backdoor Roth". Awesome! Looks like IRS only allows $17,500/$23,000 Roth contribution. Those should be pre-tax. How did the US budget deficit perform based on the president? # 1 are you doing Roth 401(k) or tax-deferred 401(k) contributions. My 401(k) plan allows after-tax contributions, which i have started doing this year. The term IRA stands for individual retirement arrangement, not account like most people assume. AS you have stated, Vanguard does not allow SEP –> 401k rollover. My 2013 1099R has the following in it: Since there is hardly any time left in 2017, and Vanguard/Fidelity have high call volumes, I want to do this in quiet time in 2018 after making sure I have all my information. Just convert it now and make sure you fill out your 8606 right. Remember Vanguard has a number of funds with a minimum of $1K. So I'm going to just add the $6,000 to that fund. At least that’s what my CPA told me today. But in the end, a couple of days are no big deal as long as you remember to come back and complete the process. I have plenty of email to read so I check the box that says “Do not send a tax withholding notice.” Then you hit continue. No. 25% of $10,000 = $2,500 or And heaven forbid they actually learn how to work in the process, obviously them working is an essential component to being able to contribute to the account. That page looks like this: In the first step, you simply choose to convert the entire account. You just have to do a 5500EZ each year. Congratulations on saving for retirement! In that case will 100% of the premium be tax deductible? My question is, would an in-service withdrawal be subject to the pro-rata IRA rules just like a Backdoor roth ira contribution? You can make 2014 contributions from Jan 2014 to April 2015. One you hit submit, it will take you to the confirmation page. 4) 0 Every year or two, Vanguard changes their process slightly. I have 3 different Roth IRAs- one at Vanguard, one at Bridgeway, and one at Lending Club. Roth IRAs don’t count. Great posts and great website. I sent in my response with the form and everything was resolved. I had to do something similar as discussed here: https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/how-to-get-your-tax-exempt-tsp-money-in-to-a-roth-ira/. So either they did/said something dumb or you misunderstood. Yours is the ideal situation. You’re choosing between taxable and tax-free. We discovered it on Dec 31st when we wanted to do the contribution exactly as described above. Next, do an in-service rollover/transfer of the after-tax money to a traditional IRA. Would it be worth using some of the SEP contribution to contribute to a back door Roth for 2018? or wait till the next year? But this allows me to deduct things like charitable contributions which helps. Your new solo Roth 401k gives you a possible Roth total of $56,500 for the year. Even though you made a 2020 contribution, you did so AFTER December 31st, so this line would still be zero if you filled it out for 2020, which you didn't because you didn't do a conversion in 2020 and got to skip lines 4-13. In my case I have a 401(a) for which participation is mandatory and whose monies sit in their own pot. Late Contributions to the Backdoor Roth IRA has more details about doing this but hasn't been updated in a while, so let's do it now. You’re about to learn all about the pro-rata rule. Other Roth IRA advantages. Would it be beneficial to initiate the mega backdoor entry roth process this year? If you earn in excess of that ceiling, you won’t be able to contribute to a Roth IRA… However, just stopping there may leave you behind in the retirement game. Should I hold current amount in traditional IRA then add the additional $5500 for this new year in a few months and convert everything to a Roth IRA later in the year? Key Takeaways For 2019, you can contribute … Am I correct? My wife is joining school this fall and we may all join the student health insurance, which is not so good. My plan is happy to cut two checks, one for the after tax money and one for the pretax earnings. Bank of America has really rolled out the carpet for rich guys.. their package if you keep good money with them is absolutely fantastic. I put my money directly into my asset allocation when I convert to Roth. As a 1099 SCorp this would be most advantageous, correct? You’re confusing a standard Roth conversion with a Backdoor Roth IRA. The Roth money goes to a Roth IRA and the other money (after-tax plus taxable gains) goes to a traditional IRA and is then converted to a Roth at minimal cost. What is a traditional Roth IRA? He is now self employed and has a solo 401k at ameritrade, which accepts rollovers. We’ve avoided the back-door ROTH because my wife and I both have substantial SEP-IRAs from an S-corp with other employees. Yes. Thank you so much for your prompt reply. Please let me know if am thinking wrong ? No RMDs. I have not been able to do Back Door roth ira contributions because of this traditional IRA. The minimum amount to open vanguard prime money market account is $3000. My Mega Roth Conversion: A $212,000 Mistake? It does lead to the “pennies issue” more frequently though. No. Or are you saying you do your $17.5K Roth contribution and a $34.5K tax-deferred contribution, and then immediately convert the $34.5K? This must be what Schwab is doing because I convert the whole account. But you could do it that way if you want. So I have missed out on the 2017 backdoor IRA, but I will do it for 2018 (your #3) early enough in 2018 to take the advantage of the entire year. It shouldn’t create any issues to do that. Thanks, your website is awesome–you helped me find a solution to something that’s been bugging me for a couple of years! Are you saying you can make a $52K direct Roth contribution? – Salary deferrals to Roth 401(k)s have age 59 ½ restriction (unlike basis available after 5 years in a backdoor Roth IRA) In fact, if you bring money in from an outside bank, it might take a whole week as Vanguard waits for the money to “settle” before letting you convert it. If it's your first time, they can be confusing. Why not just let everyone have a ROTH regardless of income and make it easier? Can you please help me? This works just like the Backdoor Roth IRA, and you need to make sure you do not have any other traditional IRA, SEP-IRA, SIMPLE IRA money as of December 31st of that year. The non-deductible dollars in the IRA are the cream. But then going forward the SEP-IRA still felt easier to manage than 457s, 403b, 401s, etc as it restricts eligibility to certain employees. http://thefinancebuff.com/rollover-after-tax-to-roth.html. Each year, I make my Traditional IRA contribution on January 2, then convert to a Roth IRA the next day. Remember that for a high earner with a retirement plan at work, a traditional IRA contribution is NOT deductible. Exactly. It’s usually larger older employer who created their plan a long time ago (think well before 2000). My first thought was no, since it never leaves the plan. If you’re talking about opening up a Roth IRA, then yep, you can definitely just open up a Roth and put your income in there. Now I have a small 1099 side gig and want to create an i401k. Can I still convert the traditional IRA to a Roth at this time and have it count on last years taxes(2013) and then latter this year, contribute $5500 to my traditional IRA(I have not contributed anything yet in 2014) and convert it to into a Roth IRA a short time later all during this calender year? There are no required minimum distributions (RMDs) for as long as you live. IRA stands for INDIVIDUAL Retirement Arrangement. Yourself. It just seems a little confusing. It ends up creating more jobs to understand and work through the complexity. To me, the 457 might have the advantage tax-wise as most of us attendings make more than we will withdraw in retirement and expect our current marginal tax rate to be higher than our retirement rate (though we may be wrong). See the charts in my article linked in this post. A practice owner with multiple employees probably can't do a Mega Backdoor Roth IRA (the original impetus behind writing this post) due to profit-sharing laws. I am assuming doing these back door Roths are mostly for W2 situations, correct? Haven’t been able to find a good yes or no on this – thanks in advance! Roth IRA rules dictate that as long as you've owned your account for 5 years* and you're age 59½ or older, you can withdraw your money when you want to and you won't owe any federal taxes. my husband: works full time but starting some side physician practice this year still in the built up but he expect to make atleast 70-90 k next year. If the 401K accepts transfers and only accepts pre-tax money, then roll all the pre-tax money into it, and then convert what’s left. What do you mean you don’t own a business? If you stop in an IRA, the pro-rata rule would certainly apply. I can’t find a single Vanguard NTF fund at TD Ameritrade…there are no-commission ETF’s and no-load mutuals but I can’t find any Vanguard NTF’s…I was wanting to do what you are suggesting there, but was put-off by TDA’s $49.99 fee for No-Load funds (which most the Vanguard’s are). The process will be slightly different at Fidelity, Schwab, and other IRA custodians, but the basic steps will remain the same. The plan must allow for non-hardship in-service withdrawals of after-tax contributions. That’s useful if you’re in college and probably paying no taxes anyway. Roll it into your 401K or pay the taxes and convert the whole thing. No no, you’re thinking about all the right things. Complicated. Getting Phased Out. I wanted to get rid of the SEP in order to facilitate doing tIRA–>Roth conversions in the future. Would that be beneficial? I have been making backdoor IRA contributions the past few years. “The total sum of these accounts on December 31st of the year in which you do Step 3 must be zero to avoid a “pro-rata” calculation that can eliminate most of the benefit of a Backdoor Roth IRA.” You then add $5000 of non-deductible IRA contribution. Once your individual 401K plan his $250K, you do have to file an additional form (5500) each year. He puts that check into an IRA within 60 days and then converts it to a Roth IRA. All the partners invest in the 401k through a brokerage of there choice, in what Fidelity calls a “non-prototype” or “investment only” 401k. The pre-tax and after-tax dollars are kept in two separate accounts in your 401(k) which makes the after-tax money easy to rollover into an IRA. You can probably do that if you want. I agree it gets tricky with employees, and sometimes a Backdoor Roth IRA isn’t worth what you may have to do to get it. An update on this topic: In the interim the IRS has issued a notice (Notice 2014-54 for the curious: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-14-54.pdf) that clarifies the issue of the super or mega backdoor Roth. Thanks, that’s very helpful. “It … The plan must allow for after-tax contributions above and beyond the $17,500 employee contribution limit, preferably up to the $52,000 limit. As simple as this all seems, there are a few ways to screw up the process. Would it be useful to you? This is a great deal for someone who has limited tax-protected (and asset-protected) accounts but would like to save more for retirement. In this article, we will discuss what to do next after hitting this milestone. Thanks for clarifying. By the way, Vanguard does close accounts with 0 balance – after 18 months. I edited your three comments to put them all into one. Whoever told you that is ignorant at best. Or should I just realize that time is on my side, put the monty in a taxable account, invest in Vanguard mutual funds with a 75/25 split of total stock market/total bond market, and slowly move the money into our Roths over the next 30 years? You can also subscribe without commenting. Just want to make sure, that once the TIRA gets recharachterised as Rollover at Fidelity, I can do backdoor in 2018 thru the then empty Vanguard TIRA without pro-rata consequences? I was considering moving my HSA investments to TD Ameritrade, and I specifically see you say that you, “know [you’re] not paying commissions for Vanguard funds in my HSA at TD Ameritrade”. On Line 2, your basis is zero because you had no money in a traditional IRA on December 31 of last year (if you've been carrying a non-deductible IRA for years this may not be zero). The only accounts I’ve ever had in the past are a 401k, my wife’s 403b, and a traditional Roth IRA from when I was underneath the income threshold. The book summarizes the most important information on the blog and contains material not found on the site at all. – RMDs DO exist for Roth 401(k)s In other words, to get all the post-tax money out from a 401(k) one would need to convert the whole pile, with the destinations a traditional IRA for the pre-tax money and a Roth IRA via conversion-at-no-cost for the after-tax component. In step 2, you select the holdings in the traditional IRA that you want to convert (it did it automatically for me as my only holding was the settlement fund). Leave it in cash (i.e. Check and see if yours does. Only snag thus far: I have a pension contribution (13k per yr) and apparently that counts against the 52k max. I meant a regular Roth IRA that was not done backdoor style. What you want to do is max out the previous year’s Roth IRA (2019), then let yourself catch up on the current year (2020). So if you have a SEP, you can still hold onto it, but don’t add money to it the same year you want to do the backdoor Roth conversion. I mean, if you’re putting $200K to retirement each year, maybe it’s worth some hassle to shelter a little more in some kind of a plan. You put contributions to a 457b ahead of a backdoor roth IRA, and this is something I just started to think about. My wife’s a physician too and we don’t see any major options which are tax efficient and are relatively simple to implement. Фахівці Служби порятунку Хмельницької області під час рейдів пояснюють мешканцям міст та селищ, чим небезпечна неміцна крига та закликають бути обережними на річках, ставках та озерах. ), Hi – I am an academic MD and have a W2 income. Understanding the Mega Backdoor Roth IRA - Podcast #127, Best Retirement Accounts For Independent Contractors. And no, you need to get rid of all traditional, SEP, and SIMPLE IRAs in order to avoid the pro-rata issue. Thanks. 5) Backdoor Roth IRAs Thanks! Option 1 – Max Your 401k Past the Match. I am sure you are aware that government makes everything more complex. I contributed $5500 to a Vanguard traditional IRA in December and then shortly after converted it to a Roth. no to mention if you have the aforementioned 100K you get the keys to the best cash back credit card in the industry.. not to mention a ton of flexibility with your money. Great article. While it is true that this money won't grow at nearly the same rate as it … Retirement Savings Without a Retirement Account, Celebrating Ten Years With The Backdoor Roth IRA, 6 Reasons The Rich Should Pay off Their Mortgage Early. I max out my 403b employee contributions, receive a 100% match up to 6% of compensation, and can contribute after tax to the plan. (rather than the original amount I rolled over from my old 401k). If I understand all this backdoor / mega-backdoor stuff correctly…I can: 1) Convert the SEP IRA to a Roth IRA, tax free, Net Result: I got tax write-off for putting into SEP IRA, and the gains as well as distributions will be tax free from the Roth IRA after a 5 year waiting period), 2) Covert the TIRAs to Roth IRA, tax free. The hierarchy changes depending on many things. Let me know what you hear. It’s legal as long as your plan allows it. Step 4 confuses a few people. You are left with only employer (35k) contribution. If you are lucky to have an employer with such a setup in their plan, take full advantage! I buy Vanguard ETFs in my TD Ameritrade HSA account. That is a great achievement. You can still do a 2018 Backdoor Roth IRA contribution. Vanguard used to let you do this over two days. For married couples filing jointly, the income phase-out range is $189,000 to $199,000. 2 weeks Maxing out Roth IRA contributions Reddit . With every year that passes, maxing out my Roth IRA is slightly less difficult and stressful. Gotcha. This year I got an IRS notice saying I owed $10,000 on my Roth Conversion from the year he did my taxes. If you are converting the SEP to Roth in 2014, no big deal on your mess-up in 2013 — you pay a little more for 2013, a little less for 2014. You have a $20,000 tax-deferred IRA. You do not have to wait any period of time between the contribution and conversion. if your goal is to put in $75K, I don’t think I’d bother. What am I missing? How about doing a similar tutorial on form 5500 for individual 401k accounts with assets over $250k? 3. In 2018, Roth contributions are phased out for a single filer with MAGI (modified adjusted gross income) over $135,000 and $199,000 for married filing jointly couples. Then hit continue. I am a graduating resident, so this is my last year to do a pure Roth, and also the first year I have had disposable income to contribute. I have brokerage, IRA and roth IRA accounts with schwab. Sadly, Vanguard does not do these types of accounts, “For the benefit of” types of 401k accounts. Waiting just makes things more complicated on the 8606, as discussed in Pennies and the Backdoor Roth IRA. Most plans, unfortunately, don’t allow inservice rollovers. 2) That’s fine if it’s coming up shortly. Keeping old tax-deferred IRA at Brokerage One; open new non-deductible IRA and just convert it at Brokerage Two. Suppose I was limited to 20% of my business income as an employer, and contributed pre-tax $10,000 as an employer contribution, leaving 43k free. You can do step 2 basically immediately after step 1. Remember that IRA stands for INDIVIDUAL Retirement Arrangement. A typical physician not maxing out his 401K and other tax-deferred options is probably better off with more tax-deferred space rather than more Roth space. So, just to make sure I understand correctly, even if I already have commingled funds, I can still rollover only the “pre tax” portion to a new 401k and keep only post-tax dollars for my Roth conversion, up to the amount of my original basis, and be able to avoid taxes at conversion? You stated, “is essentially the same process as opening the traditional Roth IRA.” I believe you meant “traditional IRA”, not “traditional Roth IRA”. What happens if I contribute to a tIRA based on my measly resident income, deduct it and send my taxes in the next day, and then on the third day convert to a Roth…? Obviously if you can, a mega backdoor Roth is better than taxable. In fact setting up a Roth IRA account for your kids is a great way to pass money down to them that will never be taxed again. It’s the end of the year, and some lucky folks are getting year end bonuses! I have unlimited choices. 1) 5500 4 Ways to Save for Retirement After Maxing Out Your IRA First off, congratulations on saving so much for retirement! If I do need to open a traditional IRA, do I fund it myself from my bank account or does it need to be a direct payroll deduction from my employer? Even after the checklist is completed, clients may want to save for a down payment on a house or fund an IRA before deciding to max out 401(k) contributions, Weber says. What do you think? Once I get to the point I want to save amounts above that I will set up a defined benefit plan. Once again WCI, great post. You can do 100% employer contributions into a second 401(k) up to $53K. Things to think about…. This should total 56,000 401k+ 6,000 roth IRA, which I assume is decent for first full year out of residency. It says I got a distribution from my Traditional IRA of $5500 (which I did not, I just did the back door Roth) and that $5500 of it is taxable because of “early distribution, exception applies”. Married physicians should be using a personal and spousal Roth IRA, and will usually need to fund both indirectly (i.e. If you transfer directly to a Roth IRA (now allowed), then you can even have traditional/SEP/SIMPLE IRA money on the side. Thanks in advance! And if you have enough money with them it’s the best deal in the business. Thank you again! For case 1 – your plan may have low rate institutional class funds that would not be available to you in an IRA. Line 13 is the same as line 3, so tax due is zero. They’re right that you COULD convert to a Roth IRA, but it wouldn’t be what you really want due to the pro-rata calculation. It made our paychecks artificially tiny. The key to not closing the account is to leave a little of money behind ($1) on that account before doing a back door conversion. If you automatically transfer funds from a bank account to your Roth IRA, if you DON’T specify the year, most financial providers will assume you want it to go to the current calendar year. For most households, the Roth IRA contribution limits in 2020 and 2021 will be the smaller of $6,000 or your taxable income. Suppose you’ve contributed the allowable maximum to your Roth IRA for the year but still have money left over to stash away for retirement. This will make it less likely you are going to get a huge tax hit by doing a massive lump sum Roth IRA conversion in 25 years. And if I chose the maximum and I just started a new job in November, will the amount be deducted from 2 months only or throughout the year. Required fields are marked *. While it is “cleaner” to make your contribution and your conversion all in the same calendar tax year, you can make your contribution up until your tax filing date of the next year. 12) 0 It is taxable. I am 48 and my SO is 49. Third, the prorata calculation only has to do with dollars in IRAs, not the number of accounts. Is it still worth it to invest in a taxable brokerage account after maxing out my Roth IRA? This post has stimulated my thinking…I’ve got, 1) 125k SEP IRA (zero investment gains) That’s great news! 1. And my second question is – Since my income is high and i have already paid my tax on that $5500 ( that i plan to put in trad ira), doesnt it make sense to convert it to roth ira every year ? Great post. No. Ok, so when you contribute 5500 on Jan 2nd of a given year, then convert the next day is it for that given year or for the previous? I though it might be a good time to take advantage of lower margins for roth conversion. While everything else is about improving your financial position (primarily getting you to financial independence), 529s are for college funding. HSAs are not employer based. In addition, would you like it protected from your creditors and to pass to your heirs outside of probate? If you’re going to convert the whole thing, a SEP-IRA may work just fine. A couple of minutes online and no money. When you exchange/ convert to some other funds like Vanguard Total Stock Exchange, does it create any issues? It was free. I was looking at your variation #2 — it seems like I’m converting pre-tax sep to post tax roth — which slightly diff from variation #1. I remember reading posts from Alan S. Who stated IRS hasn’t challenged tandem rollovers yet, but could very well in the future…. I didn't expect it to happen on Sunday as the markets are closed and so is Vanguard, but even by Monday (January 4th) evening I could not move on to the next step. 1.75 everything, 3.5 grocery, 5.25 gas. Remember if you’re converting something that is tax-deferred to tax-free, that’s not a Mega backdoor Roth. Withdraw the money (not recommended, as the money would be subject to tax and/or penalties, not to mention DECREASING your tax-advantaged/asset-protected investment space). But is there any advantage to rolling your traditional IRA money back into your company 401k every year? My question is, can I open another trad IRA account, put post-tax money in it, and just backdoor this new one to a Roth. I’m back to doing my own taxes. Vanguard won’t accept these funds into my current 401 K. How or where can I eliminate this traditional IRA so I can do my backdoor ROTH,. How much more did you want to put toward retirement each year and why not just put it in taxable? But if it is in a regular brokerage account, you have to pay tax on the $57,000 of gains you made. Here is my article on individual 401(k)s but be aware that their websites often say one thing and their representatives another. Why I have to get rid of old IRA (rolling into 401K) before doing that? employer, who sent out paperwork as a 1099 on it – so I had to pay taxes on it already. What I do is I put the cream in an empty cup. It’s no big deal. I’m not sure how to do it but I’ll look into it. If you max out your company 401 k (I do my personal contribution 17 with Roth 401k and the balance regular 401k)…. I suggest you use a backdoor Roth instead of a taxable account. 5) 0 This year I made the traditional IRA contribution very late and the fund wasn’t available to convert to a Roth IRA until today which is the first of the new year. You might be able to make pre-tax contributions to an IRA (verify with your tax preparer before you do anything), or you might choose to make after-tax contributions. So, I should convert the SEP IRA to Solo 401k to get it out of the way for all the back door and mega back door Roth conversions. Employees who pay them have to put them on Schedule A with other medical expenses, subject to a huge 7.5% floor (which means they’re probably not deductible for a typical doctor.) My tax accountant felt it was OK to go ahead and do it – she does not understand the pro rata rule (which I have read extensively about this week!) Any growth of those investments is never taxed again (assuming you don’t withdraw the growth until 59.5 years old). Why not just keep it there? I do think though, for 3, with low number of low paid employees, the profit sharing component can be small enough that many will prefer just paying it so they can contribute pretax money instead of post. I hope you at least see the advantage, whether or not you feel it is worth the hassle. 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